From erik Fri Jan 8 08:08:21 1999 Subject: CUO_52.txt On-board photometry To: gaia-sag@astro.estec.esa.nl (GAIA SAG), Frederic.Arenou@obspm.fr (Arenou), indus (Jens Knude), helge (Helge J. Sorensen), cf (Claus Fabricius), makarov (Valeri Makarov), smid (Mattia Vaccari) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 08:08:21 +0100 (MET) On-board photometry is not recommended for GAIA =============================================== E. Hoeg 8 Jan. 1999 SAG_CUO_052 ABSTRACT: The idea of on-board photometry for GAIA is discussed. The idea is rejected because of several disadvantages. Essential advantages have not been presented since the idea was put forward three months ago. The idea -------- The idea of on-board photometry for GAIA was proposed by Fabio for consideration by SAG at the October 1998 meeting and in a report shortly after. The idea was not specified or discussed, presumably to leave all possibilities open. Requests for a specification have not been answered, no doubt because of more urgent business. A discussion was again encouraged by Fabio in his report of Dec.2, 1998. The idea has recently been mentioned in a study of the APM algorithm by Jordi et al. in UB_IWG_001 of 14 Dec. 1998. I intend to comment on the report when I receive the information I have asked Xavier to give for my better understanding. Definition of on-board photometry --------------------------------- For the sake of a clear discussion I define the idea as follows. Broad-band photometry (BBP) with the APM algorithm onboard the GAIA satellite has been proposed. The proposal is meant as an alternative to the transmission of samples of patches as described in CUO_50. The idea involves detection and estimation of stellar magnitude and background in each of the four BBP bands. Only the resulting position, magnitude and background for each star in each band are transmitted to ground where the cross identification of objects detected in the ASM and BBP1-4 is carried out. This purpose is not explicitely described in the UB report or elsewhere, but this is my understanding from what I have heard and read. Discussion ---------- Essential advantages of on-board photometry are not known. Since we require a final GAIA photometry with the optimal accuracy inherent in the CCD samples the following essential disadvantages of on-board photometry can be listed. 1. Algorithms and iterations: Since the original samples are not transmitted to ground it is not possible to redo the photometry lateron with improved algorithms. 2. Calibration: An optimal photometric analysis is not possible on board the satellite, especially during the first part of the mission when a good knowledge of the PSFs, the CCD calibrations, and satellite attitude is not yet available. 3. Double stars: An optimal reduction of double and multiple stars is not possible. 4. Use of astrometric information: It is not possible to make use of astrometry from other CCDs, which is required in order to achieve the highest accuracy. 5. Faint stars: It is not possible to make an optimal analysis of faint stars since a stacking of observations from many transits is required to approach the Cramer-Rao limit. Each of these arguments seems strong enough to reject the idea of on-board photometric analysis for the final GAIA photometry. Finally, these arguments do not require supporting simulations or any numbers.